Author Interview "Legacy of the Brightwash" by Krystle Matar
- Fiction Fans
- Aug 11, 2021
- 21 min read
Updated: Dec 21, 2023
Episode 15
Release Date: 8/18/2021
Legacy of the Brightwash by Krystle Matar
with guest Krystle Matar
Part 1:
Part 2:
Your hosts talk (and drink) with Krystle Matar about her debut novel, Legacy of the Brightwash. Content: Discussion of violence against children and addiction
Part 1 (of 2) features some questions from Twitter, some questions from Sara, and an awful lot of whiskey talk.
In Part 2 of 2, your hosts continue their discussion of Legacy of the Brightwash with author Krystle Matar. Featuring some silly questions, some spoilery questions, and Sex Words Are Weird.
Find Krystle Matar Online:
krystlematar.com https://twitter.com/KrystleMatar Thanks to the following musicians for the use of their songs: - Amarià for the use of “Sérénade à Notre Dame de Paris” - Josh Woodward for the use of “Electric Sunrise”
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
Episode Transcript*
*this transcript is AI generated, please excuse the mess.
Lilly 00:06
Before you start listening, please be aware that this episode includes discussion of content with violence against children, and addiction. If that's not for you, see you next time. Hello, and welcome to this episode of fiction fans, a podcast where we read books and other words, too. I'm Lily.
Sara 00:30
And I'm Sarah. And we are so thrilled to have our first repeat guest the wonderful Krystal matar with us to talk about legacy stuff. Right wash.
Krystle 00:39
I'm very excited to be here again, it's not getting boring yet. Oh, good. To get overwhelmed.
Lilly 00:47
You're practically our third host by now, as many episodes as I have.
Krystle 00:54
I'm here for it. As fast as you
Lilly 00:57
guys. Crystal, what do you do when we're not bogarting? All of your free time I write books like legacy of the bright wash perhaps. Yeah,
Krystle 01:08
I spend a lot of my free time just like scribbling in a notebook thinking up random characters. backstories which answers the question I think how, how come the characters are also big it's because I can't help but figure out when they were born and what their zodiac sign is? How many siblings they have. And I've been spending all day doing a character today that comes up in in legacy of broken bone. Because he's gonna get a short story soon. Oh, and a novel. So yeah, that's what I do. I do this. Also, there's family or something. And
01:49
oh, yeah, that
Krystle 01:52
all the other people that live in this house writing
Sara 01:53
is way more important.
Krystle 01:57
People in my head and then there's the people in my house and it's kind of a toss up who takes more attention.
Lilly 02:04
Well, before we get too involved in our legacy of the brainwash conversation, let's ease into this a little bit with something great that happened this
Sara 02:12
week. I went backpacking with my father for four days. And that was delightful. That's awesome. I really enjoyed it.
Lilly 02:19
Where do you guys go this Sierras?
Sara 02:21
Yeah, we went to the Sierra very cool.
Krystle 02:24
pictures were awesome. Thank you.
Sara 02:27
It's such lovely country there like it's really gorgeous.
Krystle 02:31
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can't lie. I'm a little jealous that look. I guess my good thing is that I'm here again this is pretty exciting. I like I said the room thing about
Lilly 02:51
I found 20 bucks in my pocket today. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's it. That's not a story. But hey, random $20 bill. Awesome shot. Take it. Yeah. Now this is the question that I'm sure everyone's been waiting for. What are we all drinking today?
Krystle 03:08
Sir, I think you should go first. You should leave the whiskey home.
Sara 03:12
Okay, well, in honor of crystal being on and the distillery that features in legacy of the bright wash. I am drinking Brooke Lottie Port Charlotte heavily peated, which I bought specifically for this recording.
Krystle 03:28
I'm also drinking brew cloudy. I have to admit sir, and I coordinated this effort. We did. I'm drinking the classic Laddie is unpeated but it is also very good. And I also bought a bottle because I didn't have enough left for full DRAM. So I went to the store and bought a couple of bottles of whiskey as you should obviously fill out the shelf
Lilly 03:54
while I'm drinking bourbon because that's the type of whiskey I enjoy. But in honor of Tosh away the main character in the legacy of the brainwash, he has his you know, favorite nostalgic, expensive whiskey for which I am drinking basil Hayden's, which is about as expensive as I get. But he shoots cheap whiskey and so in honor of Tosh way, I'm gonna start this podcast off with some wild turkey and cheese it with sourdough bread because that's what I had in the house.
Krystle 04:31
You didn't even the shutter good for you. You make such a big deal about how you can't drink whiskey but that was good. That was professional.
Lilly 04:39
I can drink bourbon. I'm now going to chew into the microphone for a minute. Sorry, everyone
Krystle 04:47
should talk about what she's reading them. So that gives you Tony,
Sara 04:51
here we go. Our recording schedule is kind of tiny. Why me? So the episode that comes out. After this is released. You will be hear me talk about how I have started reading creation by Bjorn Larsen. And in this episode, I'm going to talk about how I finished reading creation by Bjorn Larsen. I finished it while I was backpacking, and it was a very good vacation read. And I think that it's coming out on the day that this episode is released. August at
05:19
least Bjarne? Yeah.
Sara 05:22
So if you're listening, you should go and buy it.
Lilly 05:26
Yeah, good. For everyone who doesn't hear the first part? It does sound excellent. And I can't wait to read it myself. Can you give me like a quick or not the summary one?
Sara 05:40
Summary one, but it is a retelling of Norse creation mythology, basically. But it's very funny. It's like Terry Pratchett. I think I say this in the next episode as well. I know. But
Lilly 05:53
if this one's coming out when it comes out, you gotta give them some.
Sara 05:57
I know, I'm just I'm just explaining for people who might listen to the next episode. But this is going to be a repeat, or what you hear that is going to be a repeat, but it's like if Terry Pratchett wrote Neil Gaiman's book on Norse mythology,
Krystle 06:09
Jordan will be very happy to hear it describe that way. I'm gonna tell him.
Sara 06:14
It's wonderful. And I loved it. And he was very sweet and giving us a an arc. Oh, wait, do I have access to that? You do have access to that
Lilly 06:21
cool. Crystal, have you read anything good lately?
Krystle 06:26
I probably should have prepared an answer. Oh, you know, I finished it's called Coronado. It's a book of short stories by Dennis Laney, who's my favorite mystery thriller type author, and the first story. And the last story in that collection absolutely wrecked me. I was traumatized. But in that really awesome way. So that kind of reenergized me a bit about how just a reminder of of the books that I read 15 years ago that really fired me up and made me want to do this professionally. So that was a really good creativity refill. For me reading his absolute train wreck trauma. It's dark, but it's so good. It hurts so good. So that's what I just finished reading.
Lilly 07:17
I feel like there's two kinds of inspirational reads, there are. You said, I love this that I want to do this. And then there is, oh, I could do this better. So this was the former
Krystle 07:29
the Yeah, I don't have a lot of the others just because if I'm not loving it, I just put it aside. because life's too short. For me. I don't have enough brain cells to stick to a book that I'm not loving. So I don't I couldn't tell you what I what I don't like what I do, like however. So but that's just me. I really admire people who can stick to it and give it a chance and kind of see it out and people who can look past what they didn't like and say what they did. Like I think that takes a lot of that takes good character. I admire that in people but I'm not that good.
Lilly 08:06
Well, it also depends on how long it is. Right? Yeah, sticking out a 200 page book is not a problem. Sticking out a 700 page book is a very different undertaking. Yeah,
Krystle 08:16
that's fair.
Lilly 08:17
I have been rereading, odd laugh, which is a webcomic. Comic Strip. Yeah, you either know what it is, or you don't? Yeah, no one go Google it. Unless you listen to my disclaimer because it is filthy, explicit, and delightful. sex jokes. Yeah. It's really funny.
Krystle 08:38
Somehow, I'm not at all surprised that we both know what it is.
Lilly 08:42
I was trying to figure out how to describe it because I was like, I can't just say that with no context. But But how do you describe it? I don't even know.
Krystle 08:51
It's, it's, it's fantastic. filth is what it is. And I love it.
Lilly 08:56
There's a lot of so I would say there's a lot of dick jokes. But it's not that one. Like, it's not that narrow minded. Yeah, but it's the vibe if dick jokes. Yeah, more liberally applied. So it's just really, I mean, they're just comic strips. Right. So it's short funny. completely delightful. Sir, I think we're skipping your wheel of time checking. But you know what we are going to talk about today. Oh, can you guess?
Krystle 09:31
Oh, I don't know. I hear you guys write it really fast.
Sara 09:35
I finished reading it. Well, okay, technically, I've already read it. Well, there's no technically about it. I had already read it. Yeah, but I wanted to reread it for this episode. And I finished reading it at about 1210 today.
Lilly 09:49
So roughly an hour before we started recording Yeah.
Krystle 09:54
I feel bad but I don't know what like I have no culpability here. A lot of work for you guys.
Lilly 10:02
Actually, so I started it on Monday or Tuesday. And it's Saturday now,
Sara 10:08
I started it on Tuesday.
Lilly 10:09
It took only took me so long, because you know, life stuff, and having a job and all of that garbage. It's rude. It is so rude. Like, because like when I actually had the chance to sit down with it, I flew through that thing.
Sara 10:24
It goes surprisingly quickly. I remember my first time reading it.
Krystle 10:28
I remember you finished it by act. Yeah, I finished it. And I had like, several 100 pages left.
Sara 10:34
I don't know if I had several 100. But I had at least 100. And then I, the next time I looked, I only had 11 pages left. I was like, Oh, well, I might as well finish it.
Krystle 10:43
I'm pretty sure when you said you had. So however many pages left you were on Lawrence big fight. That was the chapter that you were going to open into. And I remember thinking Oh. And then when I woke up the next morning?
11:01
It's like, yeah, that's
Krystle 11:02
stressful stretch.
Sara 11:04
Yeah, I just, you know, you just can't stop reading it. It's it's very compelling.
Lilly 11:09
There's a lot going on in this book, it doesn't feel like 700 Pages for context, in case anyone listening hasn't read it, I guess that there's a chance of that. This book is, I'm gonna say framed with a mystery. Yeah, that is sort of the, the main thrust of the plot. But then there is of course, all of the other things going on around it and through it, and the characters, plotlines, and everything sort of woven through that. But it starts with the main character pathway, who is a sort of enforcement officer for people with magic called tainted. And I know for crystal has to listen to me summarize her 700 page book in 30 seconds. He is present when a dead child is found. And no one else really seems to be as concerned about this as him, which rubs him the wrong way.
Krystle 12:06
He can be quite Prickly, so it doesn't take much to rub him the wrong way.
Lilly 12:10
But you know, dead children is I think, a fair one. And he sort of goes off on this extra curricular investigation and learn some things about his government and his life that he did not know before. And I'm just gonna say that, yeah, that's
Krystle 12:30
fair. That's good. That's a good summary.
Lilly 12:33
There is magic in this book. The people who use it are called either tainted or talented, depending on who you're talking to. And that's also bright, they're, they're pretty exploited by society, they have some pretty crummy jobs, and are not treated very well. And they all are assigned to these enforcement officers, which Tasha way is, quote, unquote, one of the good ones. I only say that because when I started reading this book, Crystal one of my first notes was, oh, I'm expected to sympathize with the cop, and this is going to be rough. But it's okay.
Krystle 13:14
Yeah, I, I knew what I was doing. I made that choice on purpose. So sorry, not sorry. No, it
Lilly 13:22
worked. But that was exactly the sort of emotional rollercoaster I went through in the first quarter of the book. Oh, and then I read the back and realized that that was the whole point. And I was like, Oh, yeah. So you
Krystle 13:34
read the back before you or after you'd already started? Yes. That's interesting. Yeah. See, I hardly ever, even if I read the back of a book, there's something about the way that that information is presented that I can't actually retain it. And only after I've read the book, can I read the back and go? Yes. or No? Still, yeah, I
Lilly 13:56
feel anyway. But having that context of knowing his sort of disillusionment with his career, is one of the main points made it much easier to go on that journey with him. Yeah. I mean, it was right there. If I, if I had picked this book up, and not already known I was going to read it. I would have read the back of the book and knowing that that was going on. But if I already know I'm gonna read something, and okay, what's the point?
Krystle 14:24
You don't bother? Yeah, that's fair. Yes.
Sara 14:27
So Connor Kaplan that's at the CME. Kaplan econo is a wonderful person, and you should listen to our episode with him discussing his book and then go and buy his book, if you haven't already. But he suggested that we solicit questions for Crystal from Twitter. So we did.
Lilly 14:45
How much curating went into this? Is this just everything anyone asked, or did you sort of filter it out?
Krystle 14:51
This is everything that we saw in time if there are any more now? I don't know. But yeah, I
Sara 14:56
think it's basically everything. Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of curation going on.
15:04
Everyone's allowed.
Sara 15:06
So starting off with a question from Benjamin, that's at literature and Lo Fi for all of us. He asked if you had to compare yourself to one character from a fantasy novel, who would it be and why? And I'm going to narrow the scope a little bit and say, We should specifically talk about who we would compare ourselves to, and brainwash, since that's the book that we're here to discuss. And also way easier. A little part of that is just I have no answer. It's all a fantasy.
Krystle 15:36
It's too big a pond. I'll let one of you guys go first, because my answer is gonna be long.
Lilly 15:43
Okay, near the end of the book, I'm going to be vague, because this is the scene itself wouldn't be a spoiler, but I don't need to go into the whole thing to explain who tam is. He's me, um, at 1.1 of the other characters is being led into a situation that everyone knows is not going to end. Great.
Krystle 16:06
Come on, and I'm bringing him again. He
Lilly 16:10
insists on coming. He insists on bringing his gun. And he's trying to heal this character, even though he doesn't actually know what he's doing. Because he's gonna try. And that is me. Do I necessarily have the ability to help? No, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Krystle 16:27
Still, now, I'm not very good at this. Well, I really liked him. i That makes my heart really happy that somebody somebody has picked him out of the very large.
Sara 16:40
Cameras. Wonderful. Yeah,
Krystle 16:43
he's fun. I gotta remember to get him into when
Sara 16:47
do I think my answer is Kepler, who is a young, young civilian, essentially like Patrolmen, who is shot very early on, but you don't see His death on screen. So my head cannon is, but he's not dead. But that's not
Lilly 17:04
why he's you. Right? Because you haven't been shot off screen. Yeah, or otherwise,
Sara 17:10
I have not been shot off screen. But I think that he's me, because he's kind of in the background, and just trying his best. And he's, it'll he listens to Tasha, when Tasha is looking for help in figuring out what's going on with these poor dead kids washing up. And even though he's not necessarily very effective and potentially dead quite, quite quickly. He's doing his best. And I'm doing my best. So that's why I think that that's who I would be right? Bosch.
Krystle 17:47
He's a really sweet character. My husband is laughing at one of us. I'm not sure.
Lilly 17:53
Probably all of us together. Probably all of us.
Sara 17:55
Yeah. Yeah.
Krystle 17:57
You guys pick really good one. So my really complicated answer is that I identify really strongly with everyone in the core family. Now family is a loose term, it's not everyone related by blood. But Tashi would be kind of representation of myself, with a lot of if only as a catch. So if only I was stronger of a personality, if only if only if only. So he's, he's always been kind of my alter ego, doing more than I generally feel like I could do so I love him for that. Who else Jason is kind of the embodiment of my frustration at the way I was raised. So he's kind of an angry guy, but I love
Lilly 18:42
it's not like he doesn't have a reason to be angry.
Sara 18:44
I think he's pretty understandably angry. Yeah, he's,
Krystle 18:47
he's, he's faced a lot. And then still, I would be the embodiment of myself as a mother kind of trying to figure everything out in the world in, in a pretty crazy world. And then it Schmell the embodiment of all the all the hungry parts of me that grew up really frustrated. I think that's it. Yeah, I'll, I'll say that's it. So that that core family is kind of, I put all the most important pieces of me in each of them, and kind of splintered them through the stories. So yeah, my long answer.
Lilly 19:22
I'm going to do like quick one sentence back ground for each of those characters. Or anyone listening who hasn't read the book. I refer in the non spoiler section. This is where they should be. Yeah, you're right. Tosh. Wait, as I mentioned, is, I gotta say, the main character, it's somewhat of an ensemble cast, but I think he definitely carries his story.
Krystle 19:42
Yeah. This one is his story. This is his arc. So yeah, I would say he's the main character,
Lilly 19:48
and he's the one trying to solve this mystery, or at least the one that we're following. Stella is his neighbor. And she has a young daughter and as you mentioned, they are doing their best Just in this crazy world. Yeah. And Jason is Tosh ways son who has been imprisoned for not following the rules that tainted are supposed to follow. And that sucks a lot.
Krystle 20:12
It's not a happy place where he that he's not doing good.
Lilly 20:18
No. Are you telling me a government that labels people as tainted isn't fair to them?
Krystle 20:25
Well, no.
Sara 20:28
What a concept.
Lilly 20:30
i Okay. I don't want to be too hard on Tosh way, because he does I did come around,
Sara 20:36
are you not gonna? Book or you're not going to explain who Ishmael is. First,
Lilly 20:40
I think your explanation of him was who Ishmael is.
Krystle 20:44
I bet Sarah's gonna have some great things to say. So I'll let I'll let her I'll say we should save it for when she's got to draw her parallels.
Sara 20:54
I joked that on Twitter that I was gonna add that I had a whole speech prepared about the parallels between me and Ishmael, but I don't actually have a speech prepared.
Lilly 21:02
So
Krystle 21:05
you're calling I blocked us live
Lilly 21:07
on the internet.
Sara 21:08
No one has ever played.
Krystle 21:12
Israel's a hot mess for anyone who hasn't read the book. It smells a hot mess. But he's a delightful.
Sara 21:19
Ishmael is a hot mess. And he is the son of a watchmaker. And my stepfather repairs clocks. So I feel a lot of kinship towards him for that very fact. Basically, that was about the extent of our parallel.
Krystle 21:34
Yeah, that's fair. There's your speed she knew.
Lilly 21:40
I don't remember what I was gonna say about cache.
Sara 21:43
I'm sorry, Lily.
Krystle 21:45
Oh, no. Oh, yeah. You probably mad that he let Jason got to jail? No, no, I
Lilly 21:50
got I understood that. And I think he got himself up enough for the both of us. I mean, his art was discovering that his career was maybe not great. Being someone who was enforcing the rules on on these people who have magical powers, but his beginning, like blind trust in the system, it was a little like, you're an adult. You can believe that they are well intentioned, but still understand that they can make mistakes. Like that felt a little I mean, I think it was to contrast, I assume it was to contrast where he ends up. So I was like, okay, yeah,
Krystle 22:30
well, so I had to, I had to come to grips with the situation that I that I dropped him in, where, where he's where his son is in prison. And he's still out his job. And then he also kind of, he didn't grow a lot through his 20s and 30s. After a lot of the things that happened to him. The last time he stood up for what he believed in, it didn't go well for him. And I think having gone through that, and then when he came home, his son was gone. He froze emotionally for a long time. And touch was an all or nothing kind of guy. So when he froze, he stayed froze for a long time until somebody could kind of get his inertia switched so that he was moving again, emotionally. And that's someone being Stella, I think that's a non spoilery answer. Yeah,
Lilly 23:24
they definitely have their their romantic tension on like page one. No, I definitely. Like once I got farther into his character arc, I caught on and was like, Okay, I get it now, like I understand, but we don't find all of that out about him right away. So in at the very least talking like the first couple chapters, very early on, he's just this. I'm not naive. That's not quite the right word. But he's willfully naive. Yeah, he willfully naive, and I was like, come on, being stubborn. And I'll admit that, but that's him. But then you understand why he was being that way. Yeah. And by the time you understand that he has grown. So it's like, oh, well, okay. Yeah. And yeah, that happens really quick, though, in a 700 page book, probably not even a quarter of the way through.
Sara 24:17
So our next question is from Angela board that's at Angela board. And she was asking if crystal has learned anything, since publishing bright wash that you wish you knew while you were writing it? And she also wanted everyone to take a quiz to find out which brainwashed character we were.
Krystle 24:36
I forgot to write the quiz down. Okay. So then the hard part of the actually this is the easy part because I actually know what the answer is. But it's another long answer. I wish that I had leaned more into the queer identities of those characters and set them up better because when I was writing, early drafts, I was still in that in the rut of thinking If I want this book to be popular, I can't, I can't make them the way I want them to be, I gotta stick to like mainstream guidelines. And for whatever reason, one of the guidelines I thought was, you know, limit the queer characters because people don't want to read a book that and Jason is very stubborn and would not let me take Lauren away from him. So he, him and Lauren were together through the whole journey of that book. But I tried really hard to make tough choices, right, because he was supposed to be the hero, and he was supposed to fit in certain boxes. And so him being bisexual didn't actually come into the, into the canon until one of the very last draft. And I wish that I had spent a little bit more time with that idea. Or I wish that I had decided sooner that that's how I was going to do it, because I would have set things up a little bit differently. But I think I think the core story of Tosh would stellar would have been unchanged. Even if I had set up, Tosh waited for Mel better. But there was just a moment right before I published it, where I was like, Man, if I don't do this now, and I build my career off of this, and I can't do it, because i i flinch. Now, I'm going to regret it for the rest of my writing career. So I just did it. And sometimes it feels like, I should have just done it sooner. I wish I'd known how supportive people were going to be sooner because people have been amazing about it. So that's the one thing I wish I would know. And the one thing that I would tell anyone thinking of writing their heart and soul into a book is that this community is incredibly supportive. And you will find an amazing audience if you're emotionally honest with your characters, so just go for it. It's scary, but go for it. So that's what I wish I'd done differently. But I think I can fix it in later in life.
Sara 26:56
And I mean, better, better late than never right? Yeah. Like I'm still it's still made it into the book, which is fantastic. And adds just a wonderful layer to their characters and their relationship. Yeah,
Krystle 27:07
I am glad that I made the decision even though it was last minute. But that's kind of me. I haven't hog out things for a really long time. But then when I'm on a deadline, it's like not okay, I got it. So that's that's pretty well, but what happened?
Sara 27:21
Speaking of changes from the first draft to the final version, our next question is from Dan at Dan Fitz writes, and he was wondering how much more or less steamy is the final version than the earlier drafts? And are there reams of fanfic, like material out there? Or did it heat up along the way?
Krystle 27:41
So yeah, it's the second one where it heated up along the way, where earlier versions were, if there were a certain scene, they were quite brief, and a lot of euphemisms and fade to black, you know, close the door, again, because I had it in my head that's like, no, that's not what, that's not how people are writing. That's not what people want to read. But then I was trying to plan out broken bone. And Ishmael had this amazing chemistry with another character who doesn't exist in broken bone anymore. But she did. She did her work by kind of liberating me from my preconceived notions of what, what I was gonna write. And I was writing a section for them, and it was quite long, and quite detailed. And I was like, I can't publish this. Well, it's fun anyway, so we'll just finish writing it and then I'll trim it later. And then as I was getting through it, I got really mad at myself for thinking that because there's quite a lot of violence in brainwash where someone has both of their shoulders broken. And I never thought oh, gee, I can't publish this. This is too shocking at describing someone's shoulder joints popping out but conceptual sex with adults that that made me flinch, so I got really stubborn about it. And I went back to brainwash and made it a lot steamier because I wasn't mad at at all of the programming that I had in my head about what I couldn't couldn't write and what people didn't didn't want to read. So yeah, it's it's much more steamy now. The only fanfic material out there for brainwash is a scene with Tasha and Ishmael, at the Emberley factory, where I was like, they have so much chemistry, and it sucks that I can't write about it. So what I'll do is I'll write this fanfic about this what happens after the event at the Emberley factory, and I was writing it and I was looking at it I was like, I can't just throw this away. Like, like I said, I can't build my career on this straight character and write fanfic about it in my own head, Ken like this is insane. So I took the conversation out of that 16 and put it into just a kiss and now Let's cannon that touch range smell. Use to screw around a lot. But now it's there and I can do something with it. So that's the only fanfic for the brainwash. Is that one sexy, but there's going to be better stuff later. So you laid the foundation. Yeah, yeah. And then I can go backwards, I can go forwards. I can do all kinds of stuff with it now. So this is a
Lilly 30:28
dumb comment. But all of these shorthand for this book, calling it brainwash is the name of the river in the city. And so now every time someone asks about something in bright wash, I'm just imagining just like the concept of queerness in a little crate floating.
Krystle 30:50
It came down from the mountains, and somebody pulled it out at Caliban Bay, and now it's everywhere.
Lilly 30:58
I really liked that weirdness and brainwash Oh, yeah, the river is drenched in it. It is a crystal, you have a question here for us, which, by the way, is not how interviews work, but we'll allow it.
Krystle 31:20
I'm, I'm the, I'm the secret third host. So that means I get to ask questions. of secret, though, if I say it on record, okay.
Sara 31:32
And I mean, I'm, I'm pretty sure that Lilly already called you that our third host earlier in this episode.
Krystle 31:39
So I will ask you a question. But you have to answer it too.
Sara 31:43
Well.
Krystle 31:47
If you can have a conversation with anyone character from brainwash, or yells, murderer, would it be?
Lilly 31:56
So my answer for this is Vaska, who is the grandson of the sort of head of the organized crime situation in the city this book takes place in and I wouldn't want to talk to the head guy, because I think he would just annoy me. But I think Vaska would know just about as much as him as what's going on, and would be a fun, fun conversation.
Krystle 32:22
That's a fair assumption of I can confirm that. All of the assumptions that you
Sara 32:29
I think I would like to talk to Ishmael. Because
Lilly 32:36
if I do air quotes hard enough, will you hear them in the podcast?
32:42
We could hear them in the chat.
Sara 32:44
I think so. I feel like he would have a lot of really interesting stories and but more than that, I just want to talk I just want to talk about his watchmaking
Krystle 32:58
he would have a lot of interesting stories, but most of them he cannot tell because that is treason. I think you've mostly talked about watching. Yeah, I certainly
Lilly 33:07
we aren't real people. So he can tell us anything.
Krystle 33:12
I don't know. Him trust that I bet he's had enough hallucinations in his life that he knows not to blab even if they're not real. Damn.
